Maybe my last post wasn't specific enough...

Feed 3 posts, 2 voices
Start New Topic Start New Topic

Posted Mar 05, 2007 09:41AM

Maybe my last post had too much "backstory", I'm Irish after all...

I can train 5/6 days a week. For Mon- to Frid I have 1 hr to 1 Hr 10mins available.
Sat/Sun I usually do about 1 and 1/2 hrs.

My current training is: 2/3 of days of straight distance, doing about 2 1/1 miles per hour. I use a tempo trainer for pacing so that helps me keep to a time target and ouch myself. I can swim steadily at about 43secs per 50 m for 40 to 45 mins before I start to slow slightly, dropping to 44 to 45 secs per 50m by the end. So it's EN-1 training. Recently I've started adding 200m VO2 Max sprints about every 8 mins into this, at about 80% of max effort. This hurts but is designed to help distance speed.
Usually the first 10/15 mins is pull & technique training. I can hold 16 strokes per 25m for about the 40/45 mins period when it'll drop to 18 strokes per 25m by the end.
I'll also have a day or two of slow EN-1 training.
I also try to do 2 days of harder EN-2 based off sets/intervals. Distance will still be the same, about 5,000, but with the intervals it'll take up the 1 1/2 hours.

These days are all mixed to allow recovery.
EN-2 day followed by EN-1, etc.
When possible I'll train 5 days then take a day off. Work sometimes means I have to take 2 to 3 days off however.
All this type of training is recent, last 2 months, based on reading Maglischo's Swimming Faster huge tome.

Prior to that for 3 months I was doing the straight 1 hr distance but swimming to a pace. Prior to that training was all over the place usually around 45 mins per day.

I can comfortably swim unbroken for an hour, sure I could 2 hours but I'd prob. need to be in the sea to avoid the pool boredom.
I'm aiming for a 6 mile open water race (Ireland NW coast, even colder than where I live in the South). Expected entries, less than 10...
I don't want to just "do" it, I want to do it well, i.e I don't want to be last, though I expect to be the most inexperienced and therefore likely the slowest! If conditions are ok, I think I can hold about a similar pace in the sea, at least for the first hour, and my one previous 4 mile test last autumn on a calm day was about 1 hr 50 for 4 miles.
Any advice for growing distance training but not neglecting pace.? Or am I on the right track?
I have no one to bounce my training ideas off so I'm doing it from a book at the moment. Anyone got any advice, or even any discussion?
Any response appreciated?
Regards
Donal

Posted Mar 05, 2007 10:28AM

Hi, Donal
It sounds like your current training is giving you a nice mix of distance swimming at aerobic pace PLUS shorter distances at EN-2 pace. Combining the two is a good way to gradually push your aerobic pace to a slightly higher level.

You might want to add some sets of 100s that get you swimming at 1:20 to 1:25 pace for 100 meters. This is slightly higher than your aerobic pace of 43 seconds per 50. Take enough rest between 100s to enable you to hit your target time. At first, you might have to take 30 seconds rest; eventually you might be able to do the set on 10 seconds rest.

You might also want to check out Triathlete magazine or go on their website at www.triathletemag.com They usually have a lot of training advice available.

Hope this helps. I have a hunch you'll do just fine in your 6 miler.

Posted Mar 06, 2007 04:17AM

Thanks very much Barbara, I was hoping to hear something positive, as I've been changing the training based on what I've been reading.
I don't do much 100s but I think the 1.20 pace is fine for sets of 10 or so, but with a longer interval so I'll add those also.
Two supplementary questions are:
Given what I've been doing, I've gone into overtraining a few times, and often get very very tired. I can't imagine how "real" swimmers train twice a day. Maglischo had tests showing more than a week's break could be counterproductive so I haven't had more than 5 days off in the last 7 or 8 months. How then do I increase my training time as I get closer?
Also, can you advice roughly as to what I should be doing time/distance per day for the big event (which as it turns out I discovered last night, is actually 8 miles).

Thanks again very much for your response and assistance, it's deeply appreciated.

Regards
Donal
Ireland



User_go Please login or signup to post a reply.

Group Voices


Underwater Tag Cloud

1650 Aaron Peirsol active drag aerobic endurance age-group anchoring backstroke balance beach reading bilateral breathing birthday swim blueseventy Body Shape bodyline brain training breakout breaststroke breath control breathing Brendan Hansen broken swims butterfly catch challenge set coaches coaching combat side stroke competition cycle rate Dave Denniston descend set distance per cycle distance training dive dolphin dolphin kick Drills dryland DVD efficiency eggbeater kick Eric Shanteau Eric Vendt etiquette EVF fatigue feel Finis finish fins flip turn flutter kick Fran Crippen freestyle gallop stroke goals hand entry head position heart rate hybrid IM inner strength Jason Lezak Jeff Rouse Kaitlin Sandeno Kara Lynn Joyce Karlyn Pipes-Neilsen kick kids learn-to-swim long axis strokes loping Margaret Hoelzer masters medball Michael Phelps middle distance neural Olympics one-hour swim open water Over training pace pace clock paddles paralympics parents passive drag propulsion pull pulling pulse rates pushoffs pyramid questiontaper race specific training racing recovery relay starts resisted swimming rhythm Roland Schoeman Roque Santos rotation Sara McLarty science Scott Tucker sculling SEALs shoulders sighting snorkel speed work sprint Starts stations Steve Haufler straight arm recovery streamline stretch cord stretching stroke count stroke rate support swim across america swim camps swim fun swim technique swim training swim video swimming Swimming Golf swimming music swimsuit taper teaching Tempo Trainer tether timing training Triathlon turn Turns underwater dolpin underwater pull Vasa water poloswimming water temp weights work to rest ratio

Who is GoSwim?

We are a group of swimmers who swim really fast, and like to help others learn how to reach their competitive potential in the area of professional swimming.

Want More GoSwim?

Subscribe to our RSS feed Subscribe to our RSS feed


 
built by devtwo