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Old-School Transition Turn

Posted by Glenn Mills on Apr 29, 2008 10:45AM (5,314 views)

Demonstrated by Erik Vendt

When it comes to transitioning from backstroke to breaststroke in the IM, Erik Vendt’s technique is definitely New School.  Vendt, who swam for Mark Schubert and the University of Southern California, won silver in the 400 IM at the 2000 Olympics and at the 2004 Olympics.  Erik is a 6-time national champion, 5-time NCAA champion, and the first American to break 15 minutes in the 1500 LCM freestyle. (He currently holds the US Open record in the 1500, with a time of 14:47.59.)

Erik’s technique is definitely cutting edge.  But on his way to the New School, Erik mastered the Old School – the open transition turn – and can show us the fine points of this useful turn.   (Click here to buy a copy of Erik’s ALL STROKES DVD.)

The New School of thought is that the crossover turn is the fastest way to transition from backstroke to breaststroke in the IM.  But not everyone is able to do this complicated turn effectively enough to put it into a race.  Young swimmers may have a difficult time doing the crossover turn because of the complex timing and coordination that it requires, and because of the risk of disqualification should they roll over a bit too soon.  Older swimmers face the same issues – with the added challenge of long legs!  It takes a fair amount of abdominal strength and effort to get the legs over the surface of the water on the crossover turn. 

For many swimmers, the Old-School transition turn – an open turn -- is the way to go.  When done correctly, the open turn can be very fast and very competitive.  And for the developing swimmer, whether age group or Masters, it offers significant advantages:  lots of air and little risk of disqualification. 

In this series of photos we’ll watch Erik Vendt perform a standard open-turn transition from back to breast.



Photo #1:  The Approach
1..2..3…Erik has practiced this turn so often that he knows EXACTLY how many strokes he takes from the flags to the wall.  He knows EXACTLY which hand will be the turning hand (and is equally comfortable with either hand) and he knows EXACTLY when to start to reach for the wall.  This knowledge lets him approach the wall with no loss of momentum.



Photo #2:  Slide to the Side
On his last stroke, Erik rolls to his side and reaches for the wall.  By getting to his side, and by keeping his body horizontal, Erik continues to move forward and to maintain his velocity as he drives for the wall.  Notice the extension he gets – and the straight line that’s formed from his fingertips down along his arm and through the torso and hips. 



Photo #3: Load the Sling
For a powerful open turn, pretend the wall is a slingshot and your body is the spitball or ammo.  You want the spring to be loaded as tightly as possible.  And you want your body to be in the tightest ball possible.   What Erik does is let his momentum carry him into the wall (he loads the spring).  As soon as he touches, he begins to draw up his legs into a tight tuck (notice that he stays horizontal as he does this).  With momentum still drawing him forward into the wall, he uses his turning hand to redirect that energy into a spin.



Photo #4: Air!
Here you get a good look at one of the advantages of the open transition turn: AIR!  Let’s face it.  With a long underwater breaststroke pullout coming up, EVERY swimmer needs oxygen.  This is where the open-turn swimmer may lose a little ground to the crossover-turn swimmer, but sometimes the fastest turn isn’t the fastest overall solution to the race.  Sometimes OXYGEN is the key.  Just make sure that, like Erik, you stay in a tight ball and that you stay low as you tuck and spin.  One way that Erik stays compact is by overlapping his feet as he spins his body.



Photo #5: The Drive
As Erik’s feet hit the wall, his turning hand is already released and is heading right past his head, ready to go into streamline.  Notice that Erik is still getting that valuable air.  He’s already rotated to his side, so there will be no worries about DQs here.

Sometimes the old is better than the new – or at least it’s worth exploring.   Before you lock into one type of turn (or start or kick or pull), make sure you look at all the possibilities.  Don’t limit yourself.  Experiment with many types, and determine which one works best for you.  Time yourself at varying distances, and consider the quickness of the turn, and your ability to complete a full breaststroke underwater pull.

You can watch extended video of ALL of Erik’s turns and strokes by picking up a copy of his DVD:  GO SWIM ALL STROKES WITH KAITLIN SANDENO & ERIK VENDT.  This is Go Swim’s most popular video – a must-have for every swimmer and coach!




Responses

Responded Apr 29, 2008 03:55PM

This brings up an interesting question. In an I.M. which is better, an open turn like Erik is demonstrating here or a flip turn like Kaitlin is demonstrating in the video (and Kristine Quance got DQ'd for in the Olympic Trials)? Open turn, more air for the longer pull out. Flip turn, faster. 100 I.M. flip turn, 400 I.M. open turn. Comments?

Responded Apr 29, 2008 04:06PM

Well... for MASTERS swimming... and those silly, silly 40+ year old swimmers who mistakenly may have signed up for the 400 IM at an upcoming meet. OLD SCHOOL MEANS AIR!

Oh... and for breaststrokers too, for the extra air needed on the underwater pull.

I also think that the way someone is built has an impact on their ability to complete the cross-over turn that Kaitlin and Quance do. I worked with a swimmer for a MONTH trying to get him to do that turn... finally realized he had REALLY long legs, and REALLY short arms. By the time his hand hit the wall, his feet would flip up on the gutter. He just wasn't built for that turn. This turn worked though.

Edited Apr 29, 2008 06:53PM
Responded Apr 30, 2008 12:37PM

I learned about the cross over turn last summer when i worked at Longhorn camp. I spent short course season to teach it to my swimmers, some had it down in practice but none would do it in a meet!

I've tried to learn it myself but i get all jumbled up!

Responded Apr 30, 2008 02:04PM

For the cross-over... try one trick. Make sure when you're heading into the turn, to aim your hand LOW on the wall. This way you're already partway through with the turn by the time you get to the wall. See if that helps.

Responded May 03, 2008 06:56AM

From my personal experience, the flip-like turn actually saves you air, and you get a better pull out. The extra breath you get doing the old school only takes time, and you spend the same amount of time underwater, just going slower. If you carry more speed, you will either go further on the pull out, saving energy from swimming breaststroke which takes the most energy, or go the same distance but faster, cutting down on time spent underwater (ie holding your breath). It just takes practice and a good demonstration to make it help you. Although you think you lose air at the start, you actually gain it back at the end of a shorter pull out, and your lungs always feel a bit better when you gain half a body length on the guy/girl next to you.

Responded May 03, 2008 12:00PM

Hi Stephen... you're saying you get a better pullout doing the cross-over turn, than doing this turn? Also, with so many people still not doing the cross-over turn effectively, you have to take into consideration that this turn, done effectively... isn't as slow as you're making it out to be.

All I know is that when you flip, you blow air out of your nose... with less air, you're going to have a shorter pullout. Plus, in the longer race (400 IM), most people are already struggling for air at this point, and this type of turn gives you just a bit of extra confidence to hold that underwater pull longer. At this is my personal experience.

Thanks.

Responded May 04, 2008 03:59PM

You know,
from standing on the side, I have seen very few crossover (a.k.a. suicide) turns done effectively. However I generally see a variant of the old school turn being done which is also not too effective. This is the one where you grab the wall at the end of the backstroke, pull up and then dive back off of it. It could be fast if you cut out the grab and up as demonstrated above. The fastest turn I've seen with the best breast pull outs is still the back flip, but the timing has to be correct on this as well, or it becomes slow. I do know at least one of the worlds top IMers who does the old school turn. It works well for her.

Responded May 07, 2008 06:58AM

I do the flip-like turn when touching the wall with the right hand and the old-school when touching the wall with the left hand. I cannot manage to flip-turn when touching the wall with the left hand. Strange. However my experience is that I DO dive longer after the old-school turn, because, as Glenn said, it means more air. And sicne I am the worst backstroker EVER I need air. But the flip turn is faster. So mostly I'm doing the old school turn at competitions because I'm sure I will do it right and I can go harder on breaststroke.

Responded May 07, 2008 12:29PM

I agree sprinter... even if I come into the wall with my right hand (which I can do the crossover flip), I still prefer the open / old school turn simply because it sets me up better for breaststroke.

Is it the fastest? I don't know. What I do know though, is I carry more confidence through to breaststroke with this turn, compared to the other... which means... yeah... this one's probably ultimately faster... for me.

Responded May 09, 2008 01:44PM

Here is one more thing to consider. How fast is it from 15 meters out and back? If you have to adjust your timing coming in to the wall to hit it just right, and then you also don't get as far off the wall, is it really faster anyway? If you can do any of the other turns without adjustment and finish the backstroke leg at full speed I would bet that this would be faster over all.

I still maintain that the direct over the top back flip is the fastest if you can do it. It allows you to finish your back stroke at full speed with the lunge at the end and gets your legs in nice and tight for a strong push off the wall with no twisting. That way all your power can be directed forward. Unfortunately for Sprinter, it will take more air, but as our master's coach keeps telling us - breathing is highly over rated.


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